What is this book called 'The BIBLE'-- claiming to be from the Only 'Real' Creator-God --and WHY is it HERE?

A message from 'outside' our Universe?! What for? Can't I just IGNORE this? Why would I believe this?


[Feb 4, 2024]
This set of documents is my ATTEMPT to distill the claims/message of the "Bible" down, for educated readers who might be (somewhat) unfamiliar with its core claims and message.

This might include:

Warning ONE (sigh): I will be using awkward, semi-pedantic, overly-verbose, borderline-metaphorical, 'analogically inventive' terminology in much of this material, but the readership at this site--secular skeptics, educated 'truth seekers' and 'undecideds', and critical Christian thinkers-- should be able to process it, and get the gist/nuances of my 'tortured prose' (as one reader labeled it DECADES ago)...

But, of course, it is a LONG series (sigh), but I am just trying to be complete enough (for evaluation) to satisfy the intellectual needs of such readers. But an old proverb warns about deciding BEFORE finishing it (lol):

"If one gives an answer  before he hears, it is his folly and shame."
or a more modern rendition:
"Whoever gives an answer BEFORE he listens is stupid and shameful." (not MY translation, though...smile)

Warning TWO (sigh): I wish there were a 'softer' way to present this material, friends, but I do not know of one, given the inescapable 'challenge' and 'confrontation' nature of this. This NEEDS to be see in all its stark clarity and incisive force, so please understand that it is out of respect and warmth that I even RISK the equally 'inescapable' rebukes and denigrations that this will no doubt 'earn' me... sigh/smile. And my use of ALL CAPS at places are for emphasis (when bold or italic might be less effective) and not me YELLING AT YOU (as one person accused me of years ago...). Ditto for use of COLOR -- trying to help the reader with navigation of the materials.

Additionally, I considered mentioning that 'humility' might be a pre-requisite to examining this, but that is the wrong category. HUMILITY might be needed when in the presence of a person, but it would be HONESTY that is needed when evaluating controversial material, which might shake one's confidence and/or comfort. Arrogance can be destructive, in dealing with challenging content, as one proverb says: "Do you see a man who is  wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him."
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This is necessarily in two DISTINCT parts:

  1. Part One [This set of documents] -- Do we even HAVE a concrete communication from the 'outside'? I.e. what/why/why take the 'Bible' seriously;
  2. Part Two [TBD] -- Ok, I can take it seriously now (as a communication from OUTSIDE), but WHAT IS ITS MESSAGE to me, that is so important to know/believe?
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What does a 'Bible' look like, if you have never seen/looked at one closely?

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First, some statements about its tone, character, how perceived (often), and challenges in experiencing it ...

(This is only a stark/blunt statement, not a defense or detailed explanation. The terminology will sound strange, but I am trying to be as precise as possible. And also remember my 'pre-apology' given in Warning TWO above--please!): This book (Bible) contains explicit and unavoidable claims to be a UNIQUE and URGENT message / communication from a supernatural, unbounded, beneficent, currently undetectable by materialist methods, Agency/Agent/Creator/"God"/"The Lord" [Note 1] to humanity. [The designation "The Lord" being used in a governmental authority sense, mostly by the Israelite community under 'contract' with God, and so many of the OT citations given below will use this term to refer to this Agency/Agent/Creator/"God".]

This message/book is:


But ALL OF THIS is for our good / to our advantage / uniquely for our benefit! It is:

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Next, a quick overview of some of its CONTENT statements about our created reality.

This message-document describes our physically-detectable space-time universe as only a subset of a much deeper/expansive reality, and portrays our universe as situated within the "larger" context of a 'spiritual' reality/realm.

[Note: We are stuck with 'container' metaphors for much of this, with the same level of 'intuitive/vague understanding' -- but no really PRECISE definition -- that we have in describing infinite series of numbers "within" other infinite series of numbers, or infinite sets that "contain" other infinite sets.]

This bible/document claims -- in many and varied ways -- to be a communication from this original/primal/ultimate Agency-Agent, revealing important facts we would otherwise not know, and possible dangers we would not be able to foresee.

For starters:


Since most of the above is undetectable (mostly) and/or undiscoverable (currently) using the standard tools we have for learning about our astro/cosmic 'subset' universe, we have NO OTHER SOURCE OF DATA about the superset, if it is not disclosed/revealed to us 'from outside/above/below'.
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Does this book REALLY make such EXPLICIT claims?

YES--consistently so...

Its writers and the participants in the narratives represent themselves as messengers or conveyors of different (but related) parts of the message, even recognizing how bizarre their claims may seem to their audiences.

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Can we (ANYONE!) afford to IGNORE this?

NOT AT ALL -- if we have ANY concern for (at least) our OWN welfare...

Needless to say, these claims should be of MAJOR / URGENT concern to ALL humans, regardless of any current beliefs, religious traditions, opinions, cultural assumptions, etc.--especially in light of:

  1. Our inability to verify or debunk this warning of post-mortem danger, having zero RELIABLE pre-mortem access to that irreversible post-mortem situation --[Note 3].

  2. Yet having a biologically innate belief that we will be FORCED to experience SOME kind of post-mortem existence [Note 4], and almost universally having the expectation that this post-mortem existent will be morbid at best [Note 5].

  3. Our inability to conclusively discredit the written, narrative accounts of what this from-outside individual Jesus/Christ SAID and DID, during his time on earth [NOTE 6 - the reliability of the gospel accounts].

  4. Our inability to conclusively deny this from-outside individual's credibility when speaking about the danger and how to avoid it. [NOTE 7 - His supernatural authority and character].


So, this article is designed to help a reader zoom-into these claims, beginning with a discussion of even the POSSIBILITY of such a communication, and some early thoughts on what it MUST or SHOULD 'look like' to accomplish its purposes.

Since this is SPECIFICALLY an examination of this 'bible-thing', I have to use texts from it show this.

Hopefully, the initial logic about disclosure by an Agent/Person/Thing/Group/God/Pantheon/whatever from 'outside' our space-time universe should be clear enough to: the intended readership (mentioned at the beginning), and serve as a framework to situate these details within.

It is currently (and quickly) being revised and expanded (Feb 2024).

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The discussion/discovery so far (and intended in near future):

  1. The central statements by the One Who Knew -- the Christ/Jesus
  2. What exactly does the Bible MEAN by the words "reveal" and "revelation"?
  3. The Human setting in which it would occur
  4. The possible "Other Side" setting from which it might occur
  5. If it 'occurred', what might it look like, if its intent was to reach us?
  6. Excursus: How we "process" communication

  7. Other means of revelation/disclosure other than written forms.
  8. This communication in history: the recording of the message(s)
  9. This communication in history: recognition of the authentic messages (canon)
  10. This communication in history: the preservation of the source data (OT)
  11. This communication in history: the preservation of the source data (NT)

  12. Translation, Teaching, and Theological Development in History
  13. Specific/Important Terms: Inspiration and Illumination: What they ARE and ARE NOT
  14. The term "Inerrancy", the Data of Scripture, and the Approach of Honest Faith
  15. Issues in Interpretation (Hermeneutics) and "Scripture Twisting"
  16. Important Distinctions within the doctrine of revelation

  17. Sola Scriptura versus historical religious tradition?
  18. The Clarity of Scripture vs. the "Hidden-ness" of God's Disclosure
  19. Skeptical Arguments of our Day
  20. Skeptical Arguments of our Day-Part II
  21. Course Implications for our Lives


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